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August 2nd, 2006

Shanghai, I barely knew ye

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Aman here-

We were cabbing it home tonight and I wished I had a camera - the view tonight was gorgeous. There were all these really low-lying clouds in front of a clear sky, so there was this wonderful effect created that made the city look straight out of a postcard, all the huge skyscrapers against the background of the night sky... very poetic.

It was a very nice view with which to end the Shanghai Summer. My plane leaves tomorrow morning at 11am, so this is my last blog entry - perhaps Taylor will add his last few words before he leaves on Friday.

Anyway, some last thoughts... the last few days have been awesome. Taylor and I have been on vacation, like seriously on vacation, for the first time, and it's been great. No running around, no waking up early to cram a bunch of sightseeing in, just totally on our own schedules, going out and seeing some things during the day, then going out at night and really experiencing Shanghai in a way that we hadn't until now. During the program, due to an unfortunate combination of not having time and not doing a good job of making time, none of us really got out into Shanghai much, besides going straight to a bar or a nightclub on Friday nights. For a city comparable to New York, Shanghai was really not done justice. Luckily, Taylor and I built into the end of the summer 5 days where we could just relax and get out.

And get out we have - we have been frequenting the various really nice districts in Shanghai that we hadn't been to before - the Bund, the Pudong waterfront area, the French Concession, Xin Tian Di - all teeming with foreigners and moneyed Shanghai residents. Many of these places feel no different from a first world city - I was telling Taylor today that as we were walking through the French Concession, the area felt more like an expensive American neighborhood then it felt like China. It is in these places that you really get a sense for extent and speed of Chinese development - in many of the expensive restaurants, while there are a lot of foreigners, the large majority of patrons are young to middle aged Chinese people, all of whom have ridden Chinese economic development to the point where they can go out for nights on the town to expensive Italian German or French restaurants and not flinch at the prices, which come close to what you would pay for meals in the States.

On the other hand, at times you really do get the sense that Shanghai's development may be getting ahead of itself, a problem that the entire country is now facing. For example, yesterday we were walking around with two of our ECNU teachers, Wang and Diao Laoshi, and Diao Laoshi took us through this really expensive mall in what she called Shanghai's most expensive area. Every expensive designer label was represented - Gucci, Armani, Prada, Bvlgari, etc. etc, but as Diao Laoshi pointed out, there was nobody in the stores. And the thing is, these stores aren't just few and far between, concentrated in a few key areas; the city is filled with expensive designer stores in many different districts, many more than I'm even used to seeing in American cities, and Diao Laoshi told us that Chinese people by and large still can't afford this kind of stuff, save the richest of the rich. So the city is filled with large, expensive, empty designer stores - it's hard to tell whether it's an intentional move on the part of these companies to get a headstart and make their brand names universally visible in teh city, or if they, like many, have simply gotten swept up in the tremendous phenomenon that has been Chinese growth over the last 25 years and overestimated the demand for their products.

There is so much more I could write about the last few days, but alas, I should get to sleep because I have an early morning tomorrow, but I will say this - Shanghai is certainly one of the most incredible cities on this planet. The scale of it is tremendous, the juxtaposition of rapid internationalization and urbanization against Shanghai's resilient poverty and poorer neighborhoods is stunning. If any of you are wondering where your next vacation spot should be, I can't help but put in a good word for China - it is really something to travel to the other side of the world and experience a totally different culture, then go to select places and see globalization just totally taking off and transforming an area into a gleaming international downtown. Plus, as Taylor pointed out to me earlier today, you can more than make up for the cost of the plane ticket with the money that you save shopping.

It has been an incredible summer, with fantastic memories, and I can only hope I can find a way back to China next year.

--Aman

July 29th, 2006

Xian Wrap - Up

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Taylor Here -

Aside from the incident that Aman already mentioned, Xian was an amazing experience.

Xian is the oldest city in China, so there is a ton of history. The city itself is surrounded by a giant wall. The first day that we were there we actually rented bikes and rode around on the top of the wall. This was a peaceful, fun way to check out the city. After that we walked around the city and checked out the local sites and even went into the Muslim neighborhood and checked out the Great Mosque and the local markets. The first night there we stayed at a Xian University, but the following day checked into a hostel which was much better.  The hostel was located in the center of the city and had everything we needed - computers, TV, beds, food, etc. The atmosphere was really relaxed and the people were really interesting (including one guy who rode his bike from Amsterdam to China).

The second day we took a tour around the city and saw some historical sites. We went to museums, hot springs (for those history buffs, this was the site of the Xian incident), and to see the Terra Cotta warriors. The following day we cruised around the city and went to some parks and other sites that we thought would be interesting.  The following day we were planning on climbing Hua Shan which is one of China's five most sacred mountains - you can check out more information here. Anyway, after talking to a couple of people, we decided to climb the mountain during the night so we could see the sunrise from the top of the mountain.

I was lucky to have already climbed a mountain in the middle of the night, but this was a completely different experience. When we arrived to the mountain after a 2.5 hour bus ride, they took us to a little place where we could get a room to nap in before we climbed the mountain. After we got our room we walked around the small mountain town, got some dinner, bought some snacks, and headed to bed. I was not able to sleep before hour 11pm wake up call, but when we had to start leaving I was ready to go. When we first entered the gate we met some other people from the US and ended up climbing all the way to the top with them (Berkeley students that were doing research in China).

There were tons of people climbing the mountain…at times there were so many people that you actually had to stop and wait for them to clear out of the way. In addition to that, the Chinese have made a concrete path and stairs that go all the way to the top of the mountain. Parts of the mountain are so steep that you have to hold on to chains and the steps resemble a ladder. There are places along the way that you can stop and buy food and drinks, which is a nice way to rest after your legs start trembling from the climb.

When we got to the top we waited for the sunrise. It was really peaceful sitting at the top of the mountain watching the sky gradually get lighter and lighter. It was also very interesting because there were so many Chinese people there eagerly awaiting the same site. We all got split up for a while and when we finally reunited we did not have a lot of time before we had to get to the bottom and catch out bus. Luckily for us there was a gondola that we were able to ride to the bottom.

After a long, uncomfortable bus ride, we arrived at the station and headed back to the hostel. We went to the market to get some gifts, and headed for the train station.

When I got on the train I thought it was going to be a fairly painless ride because we were all so tired and we had sleeper trains. Adam and Andrew left today, so they were excited to have another full day to do some shopping and to have one more chance to go out with our teachers. This, however, was not the case. After a long night of a slow and shaky train ride, we were informed that we had taken the ‘slow train’ and were going to be on the train for an additional 12 hours before arriving in Shanghai. This completely ruined all of our plans. On the bright side…we did have a great time in Xian and Adam and Andrew were able to pack and see the teachers this morning.

It was a great trip, despite our little incident.

July 26th, 2006

Be careful in China

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Aman here, with a really serious post,

So as Taylor already wrote, the four of us (Andrew, Adam, Taylor and I) are all in Xi'an right now. All was going well until tonight, when we went to this Xi'an club called Babyface.

So we're at this club, and Adam and I go upstairs to look around. Upstairs, there is this girl totally passed out on this couch. This guy next to her is just ravishing her while she's asleep - he's pulling her shirt down, he's got his hand up her skirt - just ridiculous, totally inappropriate shit. Adam and I find our nearest waitress and point our to her what's going on. We also tell this asshole to stop. The guy tries to drink with us (which we refuse) and the waitress tells us she's the girl's friend and the guy is the girl's boyfriend, and to not worry about it. We go downstairs and I think "screw that" and go back upstairs. The guy is still feeling this girl up, just being utterly unacceptable. At this point the four of us really start to get pissed off. We go upstairs (and now the waitress tells us that the two of them are married) and we start kicking up a fuss about this guy assaulting this girl. The response that we are met with is a bunch of guards coming up to us and telling us to go downstairs. They were refusing to do anything about the situation, and refusing to listen to us, and they told us to go downstairs.

By this time I'm angry as hell and I'm just like dammit, ok, let's leave. At the doorway, we all decide to turn around and argue with the doorguards - we tell them we want to talk to the manager, and we get met with the same response eventually - "just go home." We had a bunch of Chinese people lecture us on "how things work in China" and my only response is screw you China.' I tell them that I'm going to tell every foreign person I know that they think it's ok to rape girls in this club, and their only response is to tell us 'Whatever, go home.' So, here I am, Adam is sitting next to me - don't go near a place called Babyface in Xi'an. This was probably one of the most difficult situations I've ever been in in my entire life - the four of us tried so hard to get this place to let this girl just go home, and nobody did anything.

If you are a female, and you are in China, tip 1 is don't go to Babyface, and tip 2 is make sure you have some really trustworthy friends with you, because the culture is such that the law condones this kind of shit, and isn't on your side. All we can hope to do now is really make this place feel the consequences of not having any foreigners go there anymore. I'm going to make it clear to everyone in our hostel in Xi'an, and send it to all the teachers/students from our program, but if you guys have any other ideas on how to effectively spread the word not to go to Babyface in Xi'an if they're not willing to do anything about a situation like this, please let me know - comment or email me.

--Aman

July 22nd, 2006

Xian

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Hey Everyone,

We are off to Xian for 5 days. We are not bringing a computer, so we will not be able to post. Check back in a week or so.

July 18th, 2006

Taylor's Homestay

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Last Saturday (or Friday for some) we went to a Chinese family's house for a 'homestay'. Some students stayed overnight, while others stayed just for the day. I decided to stay for the day. On Thursday night our teacher sent out a spread sheet with all the homestay information – names of the family, how to get there, etc. I noticed that in my column for directions, it was about 3-4x longer than any other student, and included a couple of bus changes. After two phone calls, I was pretty confident I knew how to get there, but at the last minute they decided to have a teacher go with me.

After a fairly late and fun Friday night, I woke up at 8:30 to go meet my teacher at the bus stop. The bus was crowded, hot, and the trip took about a half an hour. When I reached my stop, the family’s son was there to meet me. I was happy to hear that he spoke clear ‘Putonghua (common language)’, because I suspected that his parent would be hard to understand. I am not sure if we have complained about the Shanghai dialect, but it is impossible to understand. In fact, it does not even sound like Chinese. Luckily they speak both dialects in Shanghai (if you ask them), but that does not mean their Putonghua is that clear. Their son calls it “Shanghai-Putonghua”, which is Putonghua with a thick Shanghai accent.

Anyway, after reaching my final stop, I was immediately impressed by the neighborhood and its surrounds. I could tell immediately that the family was very well off. After entering the house, I met the family and took a seat of the couch for a nice little discussion. As I feared, the father was extremely difficult to understand. In addition to speaking numerous words I did not know, he pronounced the ones I did know with his crazy accent.  After about 30 minutes of conversation, he asked me to wash my face and take of my hat before lunch (which of course I did not understand the first time, and felt like an idiot). Lunch made me a little nervous. I was not quite sure how to eat and I was worried that the food would be terrible. Luckily the food was very good. The mother made a Russian soup and there were some other meats and vegetables that were also very good. They were constantly telling me to eat more and not worry about manners. In addition to eating, the father loved to get me to drink with him (I am lucky he did not open another beer, otherwise it would have been a little out of control).

After lunch we drank tea and talked. Our conversation was very interesting. First we talked about places to travel in China and specifically Xian and Shanghai. He drew me numerous maps, which of course I could not understand because I did not know a lot of the characters, and if I did he wrote them in cursive which we cannot read. After our travel talk we discussed law, history, politics, economics, and culture. We talked about law during the different dynasties, as well as the current law as compared to US law (in that, it is moving more towards the US system now that things are more private in China). We talked about Mao vs. Deng, which is one of my favorite topics to discuss with Chinese people. The people who benefited from the reforms tend to like Deng better, and those how were hurt from reforms, or feel the created an unfair society like Mao. It is also really interesting because they pretty much all give the same answers.

In the middle of the conversation we took a break to exchange gifts. I think my gifts were pretty stupid, but I brought a dollar bill and some coins which the kid really liked because he collects coins. He also gave me some books and pictures, but of course, I cannot read the books (yet, anyway).

After the gift exchange we dove back into the serious topics (keep in mind…I am not understanding everything word for word, but I am able to understand the general meaning). At about 4pm the family’s niece and nephew came to meet me and then go to dinner and a play. One of them just finished high school and the other is applying for grad school in Australia. After thanking the family we headed out (just the kids) to dinner and the play. We took the subway to the theater, bought the tickets, and then went to dinner. We stayed at dinner for a really long time because we had about 3 hours to kill before the play actually started. It was actually really fun, though we often had a hard time trying to communicate because they would ask me about things that I simply could not explain using Chinese.

The play we went to see is called Love Letter (Qing Shu). The play was very interesting. There were some parts of the play I could understand really well, and other parts I could not understand at all. Overall I felt like it was a good experience because it was entertaining and I picked up some new words.

After the play we jumped on the subway heading for home. They were going to take me most of the way, but the line to the school was already closed (subways close pretty early here), so the took me to the bus stop and gave me directions. If I were on my own, I would have just taken a cab, but they went through so much trouble to find the right line, and walked me all the way to the bus, so I felt like it was the best thing to do.

I was on the bus for about 10 minutes when all of the sudden the bus broke down. After waiting for a while for the bus driver to fix the bus, I decided it was time to take a cab. I got back to the campus at about 10:30 or so, hung out with some people, and then went to bed.
 

I am not sure how many more entries we are going to have. On Thursday we have a final, and on Saturday we leave for Xian. Still, keep checking for updates.

July 14th, 2006

Aman doesn't get along with the Chinese

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Aman here-

Sorry for the lack of posts, but we've a) been somewhat busy, though not any moreso than normal, so this is a really BS excuse, just disregard it, and b) nothing much has happened. However in this time I have had some interesting clashes with Chinese people, including two teachers and a lonely tour guide.


Wang Laoshi, Part I
So as we've talked about before, every day we have an hour of sitting down with one of our teachers and talking through some of the material we've gone over, and other issues. Last week we talked about divorce, and how/why it is increasing in the US and China. For this discussion, I was talking to Wang Laoshi - in the past, we had always thought class with Wang Laoshi was a little uneventful, because she comes off as really shy and quiet. Fortunately, I have a way of irking people, and my last two classes with her have been raucous arguments.

The first one was on the subject of divorce. Wang's argument was that because people are marrying our of love these days, instead of out of arrangements, so people are getting divorced because at some point they realize they don't love their spouse as much anymore. So she was actually advocating going back to the old system, where parents would arrange your marriage.  Her rationale was that if she didn't care about love, she could just have her parents find her someone from a good family and she wouldn't have to worry about money anymore.

Of course, I disagree with her on many levels. First off, in an age of supposed feminism, actually just using a husband as a vehicle to financial security is absurd. Secondly, divorces have nothing to do with the fact that people are marrying for love, but rather that they have the freedom to divorce. In the old system, if women had the option to and could feasibly divorce their husband without being excommunicated from society and losing the ability to financially support themselves, I have a feeling not many of the marriages based on domestic obedience and polygamy would have lasted.

Wang Laoshi said that she actually didn't want to marry someone she loved, but rather someone with a lot of money. Fortunately, the Chinese aren't well versed in logical argument, and I was actually able to convince her over to my point of view using the following argument (and using Chinese, hell yes): if you're marrying a man for his money, this suggests that you aren't filthy rich, so money obviously isn't the attraction for him. He must actually love you, because he's marrying you without any financial incentives. So do you think if you told him "yeah, I'm just marrying you for your money" you would still have the option of marrying him? I would drop such a woman like a bad habit. So her options were to tell him the truth and not get married, or lie and get married, but she admitted that lying would make her a bad person, so there was no moral way of her actually achieving this goal. Unfortunately because my Chinese is mediocre at best and Wang Laoshi is somewhat stubborn, it took me an hour to convince her of this, but I did manage to leave with her a convert to the Aman point of view - my holy grail.

Another telling point about Chinese society that came from this - I asked her how she would know that her husband is a good person if her parents just picked him. She said they would say he was a good person and she would believe them. She actually thinks that this system, having the parents pick a husband based on limited interaction is more reliable than a long period of dating after you've grown up through which you actually get to know your potential spouse. This to me constitutes an unhealthy level of deference to parents when you have no logical basis for the belief that they can make this decision better than you can yourself.


Li Laoshi
At the beginning of the program, there were a couple of teachers that we didn't immediately like, and everybody else just kind of blended in together into a likeable mass. Since then, we have for the most part reversed our opinions of the teachers we at first weren't too fond of, and from that likeable mass, one teacher has dropped very, very far down in our book. That would be Li Laoshi, the impolite, obnoxious, and generally amoral 23-ish year-old teacher with the maturity of a middle-schooler.

Li Laoshi is kind of the Chinese version of the annoying, giggly, gossipy princess who never grew up that we all know in some form. First off, she never really took it upon herself to adjust to our manners the way we have tried to adjust to Chinese manners. For example, last week one of our lessons was on obesity, and how it's becoming a problem in China as people have more money to eat thanks to development. According to the lesson, in the past it was considered polite to tell people that they had put on a little weight because it was a sign of good health, but now as being nourished isn't that much of an issue, cultural norms have shifted closer to America, and its now a more polite to say that people have lost weight. During the lesson we talked a lot about how in America, it's considered really mean to make fun of fat people, and incredibly impolite. However, Li Laoshi has continued to make fun of Joe for putting on weight while in China (a note, though I haven't noticed Joe put on weight, if he has, he has gone from really skinny to skinny, by any norms outside of China), which has pissed all of us off. Li Laoshi often takes it upon herself to comment on peoples appearances, and not always in a complimentary way.

Also, last week, for the World Cup finals, Li Laoshi went out drinking. The next morning, she comes to class, stands a folder up on her desk, and promptly passes out in the back of the room. Seriously, if you're that hungover, just don't come to class - from what we can tell, coming to morning class is pretty optional for teachers who aren't teaching that morning. But no, of course she decides to show up hungover and pass out in the back of the room. Greeeaaaat.

One of the funnier exchanges I had with her was earlier this week, during one-on-one class, when we were talking about Chinese students going abroad to study. Li Laoshi told me that the GRE and TOEFL were designed to limit Chinese students coming into America. I asked her where she had gotten this idea from - her response was that Chinese people don't get taught logic, so when the GRE and TOEFL test logic, they don't do well.
    a) Chinese people don't get taught logic? You're kidding. I thought all the things I pointed out in the culture rage post were the product of a long history with rational thought processes.
    b) Ironically, the connection that Li made between logic tests and purposeful discrimination against Chinese students was a product of never learning the distinction between correlation and causation.

Anyway, during that one-on-one class I told her that she was incredibly rude to make fun of Joe. I also decided that on today's test I would take a subtle shot at her - one of our questions was giving a Chinese student coming to America advice on how to prepare. I wrote "you will need to get used to our culture. For example, some Chinese people like to make fun of fat people, but in America if you do this you won't have any friends." I can only hope that Li grades this one.


Wang Laoshi, Part II
Yesterday I had another one-on-one class with Wang Laoshi, which again became a lively argument. Yesterday's topic was intellectual jobs vs. physical jobs like farming or construction. Wang Laoshi asked me what Americans consider honorable jobs. The first two things I could think of were doctors and farmers, because I think Americans generally respect both these professions. When I said farmers, her jaw dropped. "How is farming honorable?" I told her that we think it's honorable because it's a hard job to do. The next hour was spent arguing this point with her. My point of view: farming, as one example of physical labor, is hard as hell. You have no choice but to start working at like 5 every morning and keep on going until the nighttime, because if you don't, you're putting your ability to provide food and shelter to yourself and family at risk. Wang's point of view: farming is easy because anybody can do it. People with intellect-based jobs work harder because they have to go to school. I pointed out to her that her job right now entails sitting down and talking to students, then going home and reading books. While mentally challenging, I would much rather be a teacher than a farmer, because being a farmer would be hard as hell. However, Wang wouldn't budge on the point that if anybody can do a job, it's not a hard job. I didn't have success convincing her of my argument this time, unfortunately. Wang: 1, Aman: 1.

This argument was really jarring to me, because it showed that there is very little respect in today's China for physical labor jobs. The entire point of view seemed really out of line with the ideals of Mao and general CCP ideology, which I generally associate with the glorification of peasantry. However, for many centuries before the Communist Revolution, the pinnacle of Chinese society was considered to be being a civil servant - the Chinese had to pass an extremely rigorous civil service examination, and if they passed, they would become the top strata of Chinese society. It seems that even with the Communist Revolution, China has to a large extent maintained the reverence for "book smarts" that was present through most of its history.

Sketchy Suzhouren
Last weekend, we went to Suzhou, a city with really famous gardens, for a day trip. As with all our other little excursions, we got a tour guide to show us around in English (on a side note, the English of our tour guides has gotten progressively worse, from a high point in Hangzhou to this weekend's Suzhou debacle it has been amusing to observe). Anyway, our tour guide was this very strange little man, whose sense of humor had him in splits at all times. For most of the day we cruised along tolerating his ridiculousness, until we were walking through this market and he crossed the line. He was talking to McKenzie, one of the girls in our program, and told her:

"You are very pretty in my eye." McKenzie politely said thank you, and then he went on to ask, "Do American girls like f***ing? Chinese like f***ing. I like f***ing." This little fart with a mediocre at best grasp of the language had learned to filthily proposition American girls! Who is this guy? McKenzie bitched him out then came to us mortified and told us the story. So at our next stop I decided to even things up with him. The two of us were standing in this big silk store, and I put a hand on his shoulder and asked, "Do Chinese boys like f***ing?" To which he explained that he thought it was only natural to like f***ing, everybody in the world does. Then I looked him in the eye and said "Oh, yeah? Because American boys like f***ing..." He got the message I was trying to send, and immediately awkwardly retrated from the scene. I was happy to sacrifice this guy's view of my sexuality for the sake of using his line to make him feel reaaalllly uncomfortable. Anyway, McKenzie told Liang Laoshi what had happened, and she bitched him out and we drove off without leaving him a tip.

Mandy
Ok, this story doesn't involve me at all but it's still hilarious and disturbing. It happened a while ago but we never got around to blogging about it. Ok background: the Chinese aren't very good at English. This isn't meant to be an insult, because God knows Americans are none too great at Chinese, but I think as a result of a) never being really colonized by the British and b) not having many native English speakers in China teaching the language, the Chinese are generally not very good at the language, considering many of them are forced to study it in school (the exception to this rule is Diao Laoshi, who I'm not sure if we've blogged about before, but she's one of our ECNU teachers, and is simply incredibly talented with languages - her English is amazing, even though she's never traveled to an English speaking country, and she is really fantastic with teaching us Chinese. Anyway, I digress...)

So a whlie ago, we were at this Shanghai VIP Room nightclub. I think Taylor blogged briefly about the salient points of the experience. However, one experience there has become a lasting memory and a constant source of amusement for us. At this club, Adam starts dancing with this Chinese girl, Mandy. Mandy is a party girl through and through, which becomes exceedingly clear as she starts dancing with Adam - she was scandalous, to say the least. So at one point the two of them go outside to chat, and Mandy asks Adam where he goes to school. He says Virginia, and she says "Oh, Virginia, I've heard of that state. Wait, you're from Virginia... does that mean you're a virgin?" Adam was floored, as were the rest of us when he told us this.

First off, Chinese girls are nice. They're all cute and innocent, and their English certainly does not have the capacity to make the jump from going to school in Virginia to asking if someone is a virgin, nor would they even consider such an inappropriate question. But the virgin thing was just an appetizer. Later, she asked Adam, "Hey, what's your English name again? I'm sorry, I forgot." Adam tells her and her response: "Adam... I've heard that name before... oh yeah it's from the Bible, Adam and Eve, right?" Adam is impressed and says yeah, that's right, and Mandy looks at him and asks "So... have you ever tasted the apple?" Oh my GOD. Who is this girl?!? I honestly think that aside from Diao Laoshi, Mandy is the only Chinese person we have met who hasn't lived in the United States who could ever make that leap. Anyway, Adam decided that such a forthright girl at a nightclub could only lead to bad things, and at the end of the night they went their separate ways. But Mandy, to us, is no less than a legend.

--Aman

July 12th, 2006

A Quick Note About Korea

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A lot of people have been asking me about the situation here in China after Korea's recent missile tests. Of course, this is hard for me to say since most of our time is spent in the classroom or somewhere else around campus. Still, there is no noticeable change in anyone. My friend in Beijing has noted that it is quite amazing how 'hush hush' China has been, despite the amount of news that has been coming out all around the world.

We will keep you posted.

-Taylor

July 4th, 2006

A bunch of stuff...

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I am tempted to write about culture rage some more, but I feel that it would just be excessive. Instead of going into details, I will just add a short list of culture rage examples:

  1. Vinegar (well…food in general)
  2. Pollution
  3. Smells
  4. Driving and honking the horn
  5. Going to see ‘old’ temples in buildings and finding out that they are only about 5-10 years old
  6. Tourist traps – this one deserved a little more explanation…

We all cannot stand it  when our professors hire tour guides. Here's why:

 When you get a tour guide, you get a bus that is affiliated with that company. The bus driver takes you to a parking lot that is filled with other buses from other tour groups, which means it is just crowed and annoying. Because there are so many tour groups in the area, all the merchants come out and try to sell post cards and watches. After we park, we walk to a tourist designated area (for example, at the great wall there were countless people…as I mentioned we saw another group of UVa Ed. school kids). Furthermore, because there are so many people, they are constantly renovating, which make the old buildings look brand new (as mentioned before). After the tour, they take us to a ‘tourist restaurant’, which serves every group the same dish. Every restaurant says that they have a special “taste” (“Sichuan Taste” or “Beijing Taste”), but in reality, the food tastes the same. Not only is the taste not unique, it is also mediocre at best. Not only do we have to eat this food, we have to do so at the worst times. One day in Beijing we ate lunch at 2 and dinner at 5, all because we had to fit the tour guide’s schedule. The worst part of it all is that they see us as “money bags with teeth” (as Joe would say). Every restaurant has a small store that opens up just as we are getting ready to leave. The stores are filled with small junk that is identical to every other place in China. So… if you go to China, travel on your own!

 

Anyway, that is enough for now…

For the past couple of weeks we have been trying to figure out how to get a Visa extension. We have gone to our professors and to the person that is in charge of exchange programs countless times, but were still unable to get clear instructions about what to do. Finally we figured out that we had to go to the Visa renewal building in Pudong.

After a 30 min or so subway ride, we arrived in Pudong. We were all amazing by the development in that area. The buildings were modern and everything was neat and clean (for my Colorado friends, picture the tech center, only much nicer and bigger). From the subway station we had to walk a few blocks to get to the Visa building. Inside this modern government building, we waited in a long line to get our visas renewed, only to get to the counter and realize we did not have the proper information. Some how we forgot to go to the hotel, get a form, take it to the police station, and then bring it to the visa renewal center. Anyway, it was a real big pain and it wasted most of the Friday, but at least we were able to see that part of the city. Long story short, we were finally able to get our visas renewed from ECNU after signing a release wavier.

On Saturday we went to Zhujiajiao, which is a small city just outside of Shanghai (about an hour bus ride). Since a lot of people have been complaining that we do not have enough free time, this trip was only a half day. In Zhujiajiao we had yet another tour guide, who took us around to look at Ming and Qing Dynasty buildings and houses. Some of it was interesting – for example, the houses have not been changed since the Qing – but some of it was not so interesting, such as the post office. After walking around for a bit, we took a little boat ride down the famous river in that town (forgot the name). After our short tour we went to lunch and then headed home. For the rest of the weekend we just hung out and got some work done. There is one other thing worth mentioning – on Saturday night we went to a hot pot restaurant which was actually pretty good (and by pretty good I mean one of the only Chinese restaurants we may actually go back to.

This week’s lessons are not as interesting as last week, but we have still had some pretty interesting conversations. Yesterday we talked about the difference between Taiwan and China in terms of the language. The focus of our lesson was on the different words for spouses. For example, in the Mainland they use the same word for both husband and wife “ai ren”, but in Taiwan they use Mr. and Mrs. The real discussion was not about the difference in language, but whether we thing the female ought to take on the name of the male, or if we think one word for both is more fair. Of course, some people think that it is not fair that the woman should take on the man’s last name, but I am not going to go into details on that issue.

During my discussion section we talked about Taiwan and China, North and South Korea, and the US during the Civil War. The topic of Taiwan and China is very interesting, and can also be a little awkward. The conversation about Korea was very interesting because I was able to talk about the topic, and then as the Koreans in the class what they thought about the situation. In addition to asking them whether they would like Korea to be one, we also asked them about economic development and why South Korea has done so well. As far as the US is concerned, we talked about the Civil War, and also what would happen if a state wanted to become independent. In this case the example of Hawaii was brought up. From there we talked about the economic and political implications of native Hawaiians, if in fact that were and independent country (highly unlikely, but good practice).

In my afternoon section we continued the discussion of Taiwain, but since my one-on-one teacher was in the class, she had already heard a lot of what I had to say. So, we decided to talk about Tibet and other regions in China that want to be independent. We talked about why China wants Tibet, and why other people around the world want to “Free Tibet”. The best part of the conversation was when she said “ke shi, tamen shi women de”. Translation: but they are ours. She knew right away that this was a terrible way of saying it, but it was still really funny. The arguments they make are understandable “If Tibet was not part of China, they would not have any money”…you can do what you want with that. It can be frustrating discussing these issues because, in my case, I have a lot to say but it is so hard to do it using Chinese (obviously).

Today the topic was on divorce rates. Side note: the grammar is starting to get a little more difficult, but apparently it is more commonly used. Anyway, in the discussion section we talked about why the divorce rates are so high in both the US and in China. Some of the questions were: is it a moral problem? Is it an economic problem? Do TV shows in the US influence Chinese marriages? Why are their more extra-marital marriages? Why do young people get married? What impact does divorce have on young kids? What would cause a couple to get divorced? Etc…..

Random note: our Chinese hurting our English. We have all replace and “L” with and “R” for example, “Engrish”. Also, we are unable to describe things in great detail, because we seem to be confined to our Chinese vocabulary. For example: “this dorm is both comfortable and convenient”. Our friend Andrew said that in Beijing, and I can almost guarantee you could find that exact same line in the textbook.

- Taylor

June 29th, 2006

Culture Rage

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(Disclaimer – despite the venting present in this entry, I am actually very fond of China and the Chinese people, and do not expect either one to change to suit my preferences. Additionally, to the courageous anonymous commenter who last criticized our lack of cultural sensitivity, you may want to stop reading right about here)

Aman again-

Before coming to China, we had a few orientation sessions at UVa to try and acclimate us a little bit before actually coming here. One of the funnier bits of advice they gave us pertained to culture shock – they gave us this piece of paper which had a diagram which looked like a roller coaster, which supposedly described our emotional trajectory after coming to a foreign country, especially how we would experience and deal with culture shock. As far as I have seen, not many of us have had the predicted “Oh my God I can’t deal with this place it’s not America I just want to go home I miss my mom I miss my dad I miss my dog Chinese people scare me” moment. Culture shock, has, to date, not been a problem. What we have experienced, however, can more accurately be termed “culture rage.”

culture rage (kŭl·chər rāj) – n.  A feeling of epic anger directed towards a society and its habits, borne of frustration with inefficiency, stubbornness, or a willful neglect of logical thought on the part of your hosts.  Examples follow:

Chopsticks. Why? Jerry Seinfeld says it best: “They're hanging in there with the chopsticks. Because, if you think about it, you know, they've seen the fork... by now. I'm sure they've seen the spoon, they're going, ‘Yeah, yeah, they're OK... We're going to stay with the sticks.’ I mean, I don't know how they've missed it: thousands of years ago, Chinese farmer gets up, has his breakfast with the chopsticks, goes out and works all day in the field with a shovel... Hello?... Shovel! Not going out there ploughing 40 acres with a couple of pool cues.” Thank you, Jerry. I have frequently asked the Chinese about this habit, which is absurdly inefficient and messy, speaking from personal experience. You can’t cut things, you can’t stab things, so they fall out of your chopsticks. The response I get – “Well, we think using a fork and knife is hard.” Of COURSE you do. I did too, the first two or three times I tried it when I was like 5 years old and started serving myself food. It’s an acquired skill. I’ve gotten good with chopsticks after a month of using them, and there really is no comparison. You can’t compare a long, thin stick to a steel tool made specifically for dealing with food. But, hell, the Chinese are sticking by their chopsticks.

Table manners. These are partially really funny and partially really cruel. One of our lessons a few weeks ago was about Chinese table manners, so during our one-on-one class a teacher asked me, “Ok, if I came to America, what would I need to know about how table manners are different?” I thought for a second, then told her – “If you want something, you’re going to have to tell somebody you want it – if you say you don’t want something, people are going to think you don’t want it and therefore not give it to you.” Seems like a simple concept, but in China, you’re always supposed to say you don’t want anything, under the assumption that it will be offered to you multiple times and in the end given to you. I have this hilarious mental image of a Chinese guest walking into an American household really thirsty:

American host: “Would you like anything to drink?”
Chinese guest: “Absolutely not”
American host: “Are you sure?”
Chinese guest: “Absolutely.”
American host: “Ok, if you’re sure…”
Chinese guest: “Definitely don’t want anything to drink.”
American host: “Ok.”
Chinese guest:  “…but…but… we weren’t done here! I actually do want something! Sorry, I was lying!”

Also, I told her that often in America it’s polite to at least offer to help clean up or do the dishes when you go over somewhere, and she was shocked. In China, the whole inviting someone over to dinner just has this intricate script which must be followed whereby the host kowtows to every whim of a guest while telling the guest how bad a job they are doing of being a host, while the host continuously “begrudgingly” accepts. It’s very complex – I am quite worried that I’m going to mess it up when we go for our home stay at the end of the program. The last bit that she told me was that at the dinner table, children are expected to just sit there quietly at all times. On the face of it this may not sound that weird, but if you think back to your childhood, even at really formal dinners there was often like a kids’ table or something, and you didn’t have to sit at the dinner table the whole time, and you would get engaged by adults in conversation because they feel guilty. Not so in China. In China, you come, sit, stay, and shut up, until you’re grown up. How humane!

Bureaucracy. Oh, my, GOD. If there’s one thing that the Chinese can’t seem to get their head around, it’s the concept that less is more when it comes to paperwork. Anytime you ask a Chinese worker or cashier to do something, make sure you have the time to actually follow it through. Especially if you’re a foreigner – anytime you ask a stranger something, it is insufficient for them to just answer you, they freak out and get four of their friends to come help them answer a simple question, because the thought of interacting with strange foreign people alone is terrifying. The worst part is, the bureaucracy isn’t some construct of the CCP. There is literally a strong bureaucratic mentality totally ingrained into the heads of the Chinese, that they just can’t seem to break. If you make a plan, you stick to it without changing anything, because you made a plan, and plans are meant to be followed, regardless of the situation. A great example – in Beijing, we were on our tour bus just getting back from a long day of touristy toolishness, and we get stopped at the gate to the campus of the university we’re staying it. All of a sudden, the same guards who let the tour bus in the day before now don’t want to let the bus on campus because it’s too big. So our tour guide and teachers get off the bus and literally argue with the guards for like 10 minutes. The guards do their thing, consult with each other, make phone calls to their superiors to see if they can let the bus through. No go. The thing is, the dorm that we were staying in was literally about 300 feet from where that bus was standing. Walk inside the gate, turn right, walk for about a minute, and wham! You’ve arrived at our dorm. However, the plan was, the bus would drive us up to the door, so we’re sticking to it.

Another example – at one of the cafeterias on campus you basically walk down this big counter of food and point to what you want, and a server serves you. But, of course, different dishes cost different amounts, so you can’t just pay a sum then go get a bunch of food, you have to pay for each dish individually. Ok, fine. But wait, you can’t just pay for each dish individually, you have to pay for each dish using a little ticket that you bought at front counter. But wait, not only that, but your tickets have a value – you can buy, for example, a 4 RMB ticket, or a 6 RMB ticket, or 1 RMB tickets. As a result, when you go to pay for a dish, you get change… IN MORE LITTLE TICKETS. Look, YOU ALREADY HAVE LITTLE PIECES OF PAPER THAT HAVE INTRINSIC MONETARY VALUE. WE CALL IT CASH. WHY AM I GIVING YOU MY PIECES OF PAPER WITH MONETARY VALUE IN EXCHANGE FOR SMALLER PIECES OF PAPER WITH MONETARY VALUE IN ORDER TO BUY FOOD? WHY CAN’T I JUST GIVE YOU CASH?!?! Nope, gotta jump through some hoops first. There are countless other examples of this ridiculousness, which would make this post into a book, while it is already getting too long. So now we have this great phrase that we’ve started using when things are taking too long. For example, at a restaurant we were waiting for our food to come, and someone commented that it was taking a long time. The response: “Look, they’ve got to do the paperwork.” Anytime something is taking a long time, “they’ve got to do the paperwork.”

The sleeper train. Ok, in all honesty, I had a great time on our sleeper train to and from Beijing, except for one little thing. The way the train is set up, you have these little cubicles which hold 6 people each, in two bunks of three beds each. On the way to Beijing, I was on the top bunk, right under the ceiling. At 10:30 at night, they hit the lights and turn off the music so people can go to sleep. On the way to Beijing we didn’t have personal lights, so once the lights were out it was pretty much bed time. Ok it’s kind of annoying that they are trying to control when I go to sleep, but fine, I’ll deal. I go to sleep. The next morning, I get a rude awakening. RIGHT above my head, Chinese music just starts BLARING. On the Chinese train, they don’t do “background music.” They turn that sucker up so that it’s like you’re actively listening to the radio – it’s LOUD. That’s problem #1. Problem #2: I roll over and ask Joe what time it is – the answer, “Eh, it’s seven.” WHAT? YOU BLARE MUSIC IN MY FACE AT SEVEN IN THE MORNING? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE? JUST LET ME SLEEP FOR GODS SAKE, YOU DON’T HAVE TO CONTROL MY EVERY BREATH! I was extremely grumpy as a result of this experience, and my culture rage nearly exploded 7 blood vessels.

Chinese medicine. Along with the bureaucracy, probably the most frustrating culture rage experience I have had, mostly because of how stubborn the Chinese are about this topic. The Chinese are very adamant about the virtues of their ways of treating patients with a variety of conditions. The most reliable mainstay of Chinese medicine is re shui (hot water). Chinese tap water isn’t good to drink, so it has to be boiled before consumption. Additionally, mineral water is relatively expensive, and often considered an unnecessary luxury in many developing countries, so Chinese people don’t drink it. That’s all fine. However, the Chinese also seem to think that drinking really hot water has remarkable medical properties as well. If you’re getting sick, drink re shui. If you’re eating a meal, drink re shui. When I had a fever a few weeks ago, I kid you not, one of our Chinese teachers told me to drink hot water. Let’s think about this for a second. I’m running a fever, i.e. my body is above its normal temperature. Now, the advice you’re giving me, is to drink water that is even hotter than my body’s already abnormally high temperature. Doesn’t this seem just a little counterintuitive? Wouldn’t I not want to consume a substance that will further increase the temperature of my body? Ok… fine. I’ll bite. Tell my why I should drink hot water when I have a fever. Why, because if you drink hot water, your body will get hotter, then sweat, and then when you sweat, your body will cool down. 

…Of COURSE! Why didn’t I see that earlier? Why go directly from having a fever to undertaking activities that will lower my body temperature when I can apply the Chinese bureaucratic mentality and take the scenic route, which involves me heating up my body in order to get it to cool down at a later time? I’m not making this up. Apart from the obvious aforementioned benefits of drinking hot water when I have a fever, it also helps to keep the yin and the yang in balance, as well as balance out the elements of the body, you know, water, fire, wood, metal and earth. Right, I forgot about the abstract spiritual workings of my flu. What was Western medicine thinking when it stopped using the Humors for diagnosis 200 years ago? After all this I made jokes about Chinese doctors bleeding me… until I realized that they actually would bleed me, if I had a stroke. No joke. They still bleed people.

Somehow, these things sound not so ridiculous to Chinese people. One of our teachers got defensive and retorted, “Chinese medicine has been around for 5,000 years, why are you questioning it?” You know what else people were doing 5,000 years ago? Wandering the earth in a cold climate hunting migratory animals with spears (or “large, sharpened chopsticks”) and communicating with grunts. Somehow it’s ok to progress from that point based on technological advancement and scientific progress when it comes to building massive skyscrapers downtown, but the hot water flu medication and the leeches, they stay.

And don't even get me started on the language.

--Aman

Our most interesting lessons yet

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Aman here-

So this week I was actually really excited by our Chinese lessons, because they focused heavily on Chinese growth and economics. On top of that, just before leaving Beijing, I bought a book called "Chinese for Economics and Trade" with a bunch of interesting vocabulary - though I was mildly dissatisfied because the vocabulary was much more business-related than economics-related, for example I had to look up "trade deficit" by myself because I couldn't find it in that book. Anyway. Our lesson themes this week were foreign companies establishing factories in China, the changes in consumer culture, and the rise in quality of life associated with the reforms. Obviously we can't converse fluently about these topics, but it was very cool to learn some vocabulary and start to delve into serious topics, even if it was haltingly and awkwardly.

One thing that became really obvious is that the Chinese are very ambivalent about Chinese growth. One of the things that gets a lot of coverage in the press and we talk about a lot in classes about China at UVa is the rising inequality between Eastern and Western China as a result of growth concentrated in the coastal areas. My impression so far has been that moreso than the rising inequality, the Chinese people we've talked to seem more concerned about the cultural effects of Chinese growth. Today we talked to an education graduate student whose home is in Gansu province, in China's west. She said that although people in Gansu would love to experience the sort of economic success that they see in Shanghai, at the same time they worry that economic growth comes at the expense of the Chinese lifestyle. Her description of the lifestyle difference sounded a lot like the way people compare the US northeast to the south - people in Shanghai are always busy, always on the move, life moves really fast; in Gansu the pace of life is more relaxed, people have more time to spend with friends and family, etc. Additionally, we have often discussed the relationship between money and happiness - the Chinese really worry about turning into an Americanized consumer culture.

One of our teachers during our discussion period also expressed a concern that residents in China's cities are slowly getting priced out of the real estate market - she questioned whether it was fair for real estate prices to escalate as rapidly as they have been in Shanghai, raising the cost of living to the point that Shanghai's poorer workers aren't able to afford it. This prompted a really interesting discussion about why this is such a conundrum for China - in America, we have of course had this problem for a very long time, and the result has been urban sprawl, suburbs and now exurbs. The difference is, in the US we all have our own car, so while the morning commute is painful (our teacher was shocked when we said people now routinely drive an hour and a half in the mornings to get in to work), it is possible. This sort of lifestyle isn't an option in China - while we hear a lot about how car ownership in China is booming, it is still really rare, so urban sprawl can't outpace good public transportation. So suburbs aren't really a significant phenomenon here yet, but the demographic and economic pressures are certainly present.

Another great conversation I had with a different teacher was about my views on distributive justice (as Taylor notes, I should put in a disclaimer here: I can't actually say "distributive justice" in Chinese... this conversation more consisted of things like "I think we need to help poor people," "I think it's hard for people to get a good education," etc.). What floored me was her response when I said I thought the government needed to do more - "But there are a lot of people who think that if the government gives poor people money, they won't want to work anymore." ...Excuse me? Since when is China breeding little Republican teachers? We don't even have those in America. This was by far one of the oddest moments I have had in this country, and that is saying a lot.

So on the whole, class is actually going really well. I think the Beijing break did us good, really gave us a chance to rest up, and I think in general we're all pretty enthusiastic again after being a little burned out. On top of the rest, our teachers really are amazing - they're not just great teachers, but they have also been really flexible. Our program administrator, Liang Laoshi, gives us lots of opportunities to give feedback about the program and responds to it almost instantly, it's quite amazing, so as a result I think the program has become as bearable as an 8-credits-in-7-weeks-of-class course can be. More to come later, including some lighter fare-

--Aman

PS - Go see Superman... it's eating me up on the inside that I can't go see it here and have to wait till I get back, and risk it being very hard to find in theaters, before seeing it. Aman is sad.
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